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trobinson97 · Sep 13, 2007, 12:52 PM // 12:52

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Originally Posted by Zubrowka

Finally, an intelligent comment. The imbalance in GW has always come from the fact that enemy mobs play nothing like human teams in PvP. Would human players just stand around and let you sneak up and hammer them with a AoE spell?

The idea of having random mobs is good. Maybe Anet could monitor the builds people use in PvP, and have enemy mob copy the successful ones. That'd reduce the amount of development work.

I would like to see some changes to the combat mechanics too (in GW2?). Right now, the so-called skills in PvE consist basically of not aggro management and focus-firing. Keeping circles from dots and pressing T when you hear a bell is not particularly challenging--or fun. It'd be more interesting if aggro and the radar are based on line-of-sight. To see an enemy you have to risk having him seeing you. Not sure what can be done about the over-importance of focus-firing. Maybe it's just a matter of giving enemy mobs more monks.

First of all, the enemy ai DOES react more like pvp, it's called Hard Mode; be patient, it's coming for Gwen too. Second of all, if I wanted to play a mode where the enemies reacted like humans, I'd play pvp...or HM. Also there are many instances in Gwen where the AI uses builds made popular by pvp.

To the people who say they don't want to gimp themselves to make the game challenging for themselves because the game isn't designed that way. All those things you do to improve your character is there to make the_game_easier. So if you want harder, make it harder and stop trying to make_it_easier. Asking for a change in game mechanics because you can't bear to give YOURSELF the challenge of doing things while not being completely optimized is just selfishness.

I am a big Sports gamer, and part of the crowd that prefers sim-style (playing in a way that reflects how the game is played in real life). Unfortunately for my favorite games (college and pro football) EA currently holds the rights and doesn't really aim their products towards hardcore sim players. Still wanting to play the game but not wanting make things so easy, we make the game harder and more "sim" ourselves. We put the difficulty on the hardest level. We give ourselves house-rules that prevent us from using those plays that work a lot, and from recruiting(or drafting) the top players. If we get too good with a certain playbook, we switch to another. We don't use the best teams, we turn the cupcakes into powerhouses then move on. If all else fails, we hop online and play_each_other (I know, it's a novel concept

). Basically, the point is, we don't sit around on forums asking things that the company most likely isn't going to give us and is inherently selfish because it's asking the company to please us few and disregard the casual masses (from which their sales come from). We take it in our own hands and make the game as hard as we want it to be. If we can't find a way to challenge ourselves, we find another game (Luckily 2K came with the great online football game All Pro Football this year).

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Originally Posted by max gladius

Noone expects every player to be happy.... but it really looks as if every player is pissed.....

So you took a survey that included everybody that plays GW and they were all pissed? How did I miss that one?

I'm not pissed in the slightest, I am loving EotN. I love the better builds used by enemy AI, I love the difficulty level of the Dungeons, I love the new skills, normal and pve only. The only thing I am not elated about is that there is no Ranger armor that I like, but I got over that pretty quickly, since there's three other campaigns worth of Ranger armor.

Bryant Again · Sep 13, 2007, 02:01 PM // 14:01

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Originally Posted by trobinson97

First of all, the enemy ai DOES react more like pvp, it's called Hard Mode; be patient, it's coming for Gwen too. Second of all, if I wanted to play a mode where the enemies reacted like humans, I'd play pvp...or HM. Also there are many instances in Gwen where the AI uses builds made popular by pvp.

No, they're just as stupid in Hard Mode.

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Originally Posted by trobinson97

So you took a survey that included everybody that plays GW and they were all pissed? How did I miss that one?

He meant more that a larger amount of players were upset. And I'd agree - I don't think I've seen so many people pissed off at the armors. And the fact that some of the people at the Guru that are highly respected here are also upset with the armors, and much, much more.

haggus71 · Sep 13, 2007, 02:29 PM // 14:29

You are not a unique little snowflake -Tyler Durden

Get over it. Other than the forum and maybe your guild, you don't KNOW how everyone playing the game is feeling.

I just decided to watch the local chat. You know what I saw? No bitching about nerfs. No whining about the new armors(the only things I saw in that respect was, "Where did you get that sweet ranger armor?" or "Nice mesmer!"). No crying about grind. It was just the usual conversation of people having fun with the gameplay.

I think the forums could be compared to college elite. Some get so much tunnel vision they don't realize that in the rest of the world, people are just concerned with managing their lives. Most people in GW are just PLAYING THE GAME and having fun. It's ok to say, "I think this is screwed up in the game and I wish they would change it." It's very egocentric to think that because you and a few hardcore gamers(and anyone who is into the game enough to post here regularly is hardcore) agree with this plane of thought, that you represent the vast majority of gamers. If Anet followed that view, they would have quit long ago, due to a nervous breakdown trying to solve every bitch in the world.

Oh, and half the highly respected people I've seen here disagree with your views. Which should Anet listen to?

EDIT: silly red engine

Bryant Again · Sep 13, 2007, 03:55 PM // 15:55

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Originally Posted by haggus71

Oh, and half the highly respected people I've seen here disagree with your views. Which should Anet listen to?

Actually, some of the most respectable people around here - Avarre, King Seymon, Fenix, Makosi, and even Ensign - actually agree that the OP has quite a few good points. Where you at, son?

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Originally Posted by haggus71

EDIT: silly red engine

There goes the Guru's respect for you entirely. High-five!

max gladius · Sep 13, 2007, 04:16 PM // 16:16

haggus71, you lost all respect with ur lie on page 10 about warhammer... cant believe you had the balls to post again with more crap.... go back to ascalon, or kamadan and see what all the day 6 players are talking about some more....

maybe some day you can care on a conversation with some actual veteran players...

cebalrai · Sep 13, 2007, 04:21 PM // 16:21

The OP and others simply aren't mainstream gamers. They're highly skilled/experienced gamers. Different types of difficulty levels appeal to them than the vast majority of players.

You can res in dungeons because the *vast* majority of players have more fun that way. Most people wouldn't want to play a dungeon for a while and then just be dead and have nothing to show for it. Ressing and continuing to play is just more fun for most people. Also, most people don't want to be forced to play a very narrow range of uber-powerful builds in order to survive such extraordinary challenges. Variety is good~

quickmonty · Sep 13, 2007, 04:33 PM // 16:33

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Originally Posted by Malice Black

I'm content tbh but then I'm no more then a casual player at best. I have my issues with certain things, but overall I don't feel hard done by.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

A new chapter/expansion/feature is announced. ANet hypes it. People in forums speculate and go "oh" and "ah" about the possiblities. Expectations exceed actual promises. People get disappointed because the newest thing did not meet the hype and their expectations. I've posted in those "what if" and "this is going to be so ....... " thread advising people to wait and see when this new thing is actually released. I would like to see some changes made in GWEN but overall, as a casual player, I am enjoying it.

Now ... time to hype and build up expectations for GW2!

Gattocheese · Sep 13, 2007, 05:04 PM // 17:04

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Originally Posted by quickmonty

Couldn't have said it better myself.

A new chapter/expansion/feature is announced. ANet hypes it. People in forums speculate and go "oh" and "ah" about the possiblities. Expectations exceed actual promises. People get disappointed because the newest thing did not meet the hype and their expectations. I've posted in those "what if" and "this is going to be so ....... " thread advising people to wait and see when this new thing is actually released. I would like to see some changes made in GWEN but overall, as a casual player, I am enjoying it.

Now ... time to hype and build up expectations for GW2!

Yeppers, thats me. My expectations were high, my hopes were high, i was extremely excited to play GWEN. But in my eyes i was left with great dissappointment. Not saying that GWEN is not enjoyable, but i find it to be rushed or broken. I think these forums wouldnt be so blasted if they would of told me what to expect instead of streaching the truth in my opinion. If i knew what to expect i wouldnt be complaining. But that would be bad marketing on Anets part.

max gladius · Sep 13, 2007, 06:34 PM // 18:34

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Originally Posted by cebalrai

The OP and others simply aren't mainstream gamers. They're highly skilled/experienced gamers. Different types of difficulty levels appeal to them than the vast majority of players.

You can res in dungeons because the *vast* majority of players have more fun that way. Most people wouldn't want to play a dungeon for a while and then just be dead and have nothing to show for it. Ressing and continuing to play is just more fun for most people. Also, most people don't want to be forced to play a very narrow range of uber-powerful builds in order to survive such extraordinary challenges. Variety is good~

REZ SIG FTW? Why even bother bringing a rez?
You can easily hero / hench every dungeon in the game... that is the point.... 60dp, who cares, i can easily clear all that for entire party and give everyone a 10% morale boost with something that costs less then 5k....

Rez shrines.... and rez shrines ever 20 feet, so you dont even have to run far from where u all die.... that is the point....

Sorry to those who learned nothing at all on how to play while making their way to lvl 20... to them, stay in Proph, Fact, Nightfall, have a ball, but this expansion, the dungeons, the hype, was all flushed down the toilet....

And that... IS THE POINT!

The "casual player" comments gotta go, there r way to many resources and chances for you to get a clue on how to play, and have at it... sorry anet doesnt preload every character with a "perfect build" keep up your crying, maybe they will....

Tijger · Sep 13, 2007, 07:06 PM // 19:06

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Originally Posted by max gladius

REZ SIG FTW? Why even bother bringing a rez?
You can easily hero / hench every dungeon in the game... that is the point.... 60dp, who cares, i can easily clear all that for entire party and give everyone a 10% morale boost with something that costs less then 5k....

For a lot of players 5K is a lot to spend to lose DP.

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Rez shrines.... and rez shrines ever 20 feet, so you dont even have to run far from where u all die.... that is the point....

Running further would help? Didnt think so.

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Sorry to those who learned nothing at all on how to play while making their way to lvl 20... to them, stay in Proph, Fact, Nightfall, have a ball, but this expansion, the dungeons, the hype, was all flushed down the toilet....

Well, that is (thank god) not for you to decide, you obviously would have been much happier with 18 DoA like dungeons, most players wouldnt be.

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And that... IS THE POINT!

No, thats YOUR point, nobody cares and least of all Anet if people like you get what they want for the simple fact that producing a game to your standards would lose them tens of thousands of players.

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The "casual player" comments gotta go, there r way to many resources and chances for you to get a clue on how to play, and have at it... sorry anet doesnt preload every character with a "perfect build" keep up your crying, maybe they will....

Um...maybe you havent noticed but there's a lot more crying being done by the 'elite' players then by the casual players, not to mention that well...they're playing.

As for getting a clue etc, gaming is a pastime, not a job, people shouldnt be required to spent hours trawling forums and wiki's to meet your standards, they should be able to play the game.

Loviatar · Sep 13, 2007, 07:51 PM // 19:51

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Originally Posted by max gladius

The "casual player" comments gotta go, there r way to many resources and chances for you to get a clue on how to play, and have at it... sorry anet doesnt preload every character with a "perfect build" keep up your crying, maybe they will....

no the casual player is just beginning to be felt as they are where the money is and NCsoft has a very good general track record with very few auto assault type bumps.

you hopefully have noticed a steady increasing trend to casual PVE ??

and the only complaints mostly are coming from hard core farmers/epeen types

check the complaint threads

1. loot is not enough
loot is under my high standards

2. armor is not the epeen the noobs stuff i wanted

3. HOM wont let me put in all my epeen everybody stuff and i cant use it for storage

best stated post stated this

*i dont like quests, i dont like missions, i dont like exploring. i wasted 40 dollars on lousy armor*

and that sums it up

EPO Bot · Sep 13, 2007, 08:06 PM // 20:06

Because i got sick of all this complaining about "dissapointing armor", i think i let my monk run around in her basic Ascalon pyjama from now on.

It's actually one of the best looking outfits, it's cheap, and no one can use the Epeen insult on me!

quickmonty · Sep 13, 2007, 08:38 PM // 20:38

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Originally Posted by max gladius

The "casual player" comments gotta go, there r way to many resources and chances for you to get a clue on how to play, and have at it... sorry anet doesnt preload every character with a "perfect build" keep up your crying, maybe they will....

Casual isn't the same as stupid. I consider myself a "casual" player but probably way above average in PvE. BTW ... there is no such thing as a "perfect build".

"get a clue" and "keep up your crying" sound too much like trolling to warrant a response.

Loviatar · Sep 13, 2007, 08:40 PM // 20:40

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Originally Posted by EPO Bot

Because i got sick of all this complaining about "dissapointing armor", i think i let my monk run around in her basic Ascalon pyjama from now on.

It's actually one of the best looking outfits, it's cheap, and no one can use the Epeen insult on me!

i honestly thank you.

i think so also and went to my mule accounts looking for the one i stored them on.

i found them (finally)

i also found a one year bday present (FINALLY A NECRID HORSEMAN)

i also found a 2 year bday present (floating jellyfish)

all in all a wonderful find on all counts

Sergeant of Marines · Sep 13, 2007, 10:50 PM // 22:50

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Originally Posted by Gattocheese

Yeppers, thats me. My expectations were high, my hopes were high, i was extremely excited to play GWEN. But in my eyes i was left with great dissappointment. Not saying that GWEN is not enjoyable, but i find it to be rushed or broken. I think these forums wouldnt be so blasted if they would of told me what to expect instead of streaching the truth in my opinion. If i knew what to expect i wouldnt be complaining. But that would be bad marketing on Anets part.

Agree with everything you said...

It was Hyped to be the greatest thing since sliced-bread, but was served as a big, steamy piece of ( insert choice phrase here ).

It is fun at times, bad at others, I think some of us/people on this forum are not taking into account that this is an expansion and not another chapter, maybe not, just a view!

Bryant Again · Sep 14, 2007, 01:13 AM // 01:13

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

*i dont like quests, i dont like missions, i dont like exploring. i wasted 40 dollars on lousy armor*

I'll say to you what I said to you in the other thread:

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

The way I see it, many people may like GW:EN but are just pretty bummed about all these armors. Armor collecting is a huge hobby in Guild Wars, and the fact that these armors are claimed by most (and by some of the most respected people on this forum) to be horrid, in what may supposedly be the last expansion/addon for Guild Wars, is quite a large letdown.

When you're done with all those quests, missions and dungeons, there isn't a whole lot to do. The fact that the one thing that a lot of us *do* like to do after we beat the game - collecting armor - isn't worth are time is very upsetting. Don't get me wrong, I really like the new expansion and the areas, but a lot of us are just really into the armors - and there ain't nothing wrong about that.

Point is: Collecting armor and weapons is the only endgame that Guild Wars has got. Like Ensign has said, people - more than you'd think - love to dress up their Barbie dolls.

Then again, ANet doesn't really need to concern themselves with endgame, since it's just an RPG. All that they need to concern themselves about is getting the thing sold.

Snow Bunny · Sep 14, 2007, 02:44 AM // 02:44

The game was advertised as a very big, challenging experience, with loads of new content, with challenging dungeons. Shit, I'll admit, I consider pve a breeze and I was wondering pre-release if I was just gonna fail at the dungeons.

ANet has promised something they have not delivered. In the past, I have been a fanboy, self-righteously defending ANet. But with the release of GW:EN, I can't do it anymore. I just can't. I go to college, college is full of FUN things to do. I play GW when I'm bored these days. I don't have anything left in GW but GW:EN, and I'd rather do anything else than GW:EN, it's so boring.

I used to defend you ANet, but this is a letdown. I will probably not purchase GW2 because of this.

Oh, and by the way Haggus. We are not elite gamers, we're people who like to get a challenge. It's how the game is fun.
And some of us go to elite colleges because we a. study and b. are intelligent. So stfu.

EDIT: One of my statements didn't make sense in context.

Ensign · Sep 14, 2007, 04:00 AM // 04:00

Look, I think EotN does an ok job as a short burst of content. But it is obvious that is not what it set out to be. This is supposed to be the release to keep people busy until GW2, and it isn't that at all.

The dungeons? A few of them are really good, but a majority suck and need a lot of work. These are supposed to be endgame PvE content to keep people busy, ala Fissure/UW, Urgoz/Deep, or DoA. While Fissure/UW are dated with all the new skills, none of the new dungeons really compare to Urgoz, the Deep, or DoA in terms of challenge, depth, or most importantly, reward.

The biggest ball dropped in EotN is the weak rewards. What the hardcore PvE community wants is to put a lot of time and money into grinding out shiny new toys to show to all their friends, ala Obsidian Armor or Tormented Weapons. Again, EotN doesn't offer anything on that level; it doesn't even compare to previous chapters as far as endgame is concerned. Your hardcore PvE community wanted new, expensive, hard to get armors to work towards; the closest they got was a pair of glowing gloves that took their existing ecto stash. They wanted rare weapons to work towards; destroyer weapons are much cheaper and easier to acquire than tormented weapons, and aren't as attractive either; the dungeons offered a few new item skins but most are simply recycled old skins from previous chapters.

If I am a serious PvE player in EotN, what goals am I working towards? What is the prize that I'm shooting to get by repeating all of these dungeons and saving my wealth?

schesis · Sep 14, 2007, 04:45 AM // 04:45

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

no the casual player is just beginning to be felt as they are where the money is and NCsoft has a very good general track record with very few auto assault type bumps.

you hopefully have noticed a steady increasing trend to casual PVE ??

You are looking at the wrong side of this trend. It's not just that there are more casual players, it's that there are increasingly fewer highly skilled players. More leave daily, and as my friendlist shrinks with their absences, I'm often left wondering why I'm still here as well.

I guess I'm not as sure as you that this trend is such a good thing.

Cass · Sep 14, 2007, 09:16 AM // 09:16

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Originally Posted by Ensign

If I am a serious PvE player in EotN, what goals am I working towards? What is the prize that I'm shooting to get by repeating all of these dungeons and saving my wealth?

Why... maxed Norn/Asura/Dwarf/Vanguard titles of course, isn't it obvious?

And hey, you get increased PvE skillpower with that, this time around. You can stand in Umbral Grotto and party up with noobs to show off you PvE powers then. If that isn't a huge carrot... Prestige armors are so last week!